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chowmein69 · Dec 31, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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keep LDoa the way it is .

Shakti · Dec 31, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Don't have LDoA, think my highest perma pre is around lvl 14. LDoA isn't hard, it's very very boooooring imho...dl bleh. For those that are willing to invest alot of time.....LDoA. Why cheapen it?

Shakti · Jan 01, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

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The promotion of sucide as a solution of advancement ought to be anathema and is in violation of the purported intent of promoting human value within the games they sell and support. But this is what the nature of death leveling is all about...

Wow...just wow. Sorry Fitz, this is taking this WAY to seriously. DLing as SUICIDE? Violation of promoting human values? You can't be serious. Is PvP an advocation of murder? If a male char 1v1 against a female char, is that advocating violence against women? Is slaying wolves in pre somehow encouraging players to run out and start slaughtering their neighbors pets? OF COURSE NOT.

If death leveling is analogous to suicide, then attacking a character with an sword is promotion of violence, dismemberment and murder which would also be "anathema and is in violation of the purported intent of promoting human value within the games they sell and support." That is taking a game way too seriously. It is a G A M E. The character magically resurrects at a magical shrine.

Fitz Rinley · Jan 01, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Shakti

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Don't have LDoA, think my highest perma pre is around lvl 14. LDoA isn't hard, it's very very boooooring imho...dl bleh. For those that are willing to invest alot of time.....LDoA. Why cheapen it?

It is already cheapened by the act of Death Leveling. If it is so boring as to inspire the player to run, run, run away to leave the game to play itself - then it fails a fundamental requirement of games.

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Originally Posted by Shakti

Wow...just wow. Sorry Fitz, this is taking this WAY to seriously. DLing as SUICIDE? Violation of promoting human values? You can't be serious. Is PvP an advocation of murder? If a male char 1v1 against a female char, is that advocating violence against women? Is slaying wolves in pre somehow encouraging players to run out and start slaughtering their neighbors pets? OF COURSE NOT.

Murder is to kill someone without authorized or legal authority, with maicious intent and premeditation. PvP is not murder because it is a governmentally sanctioned act between persons in arena. The statutes and concerns of violence against a specific gender are sexist and descriminatory. There is either violence against persons or there is not. Duels to the death in a legally authorized arena, fights between combatants at war, and fights which result in death between law enforcement and criminals are lawful. And in the last case, the law holds the criminal responsible for all deaths and harm which occur. The slaying of wild animals which always attack, or trained animals used in time of war/combat, does not qualify or compare to the condition of residential pets properly restrained.

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Originally Posted by Shakti

If death leveling is analogous to suicide, then attacking a character with an sword is promotion of violence, dismemberment and murder which would also be "anathema and is in violation of the purported intent of promoting human value within the games they sell and support." That is taking a game way too seriously. It is a G A M E. The character magically resurrects at a magical shrine.

Suicide missions are those where the person goes into combat with no intent or conception of returning alive. Death Leveling in Pre amounts to the same. However, suicide missions hold the intent of sacrifice to obtain an immediate goal - protection of fellow troops, sabotage of enemy capacity to do massive or grievous harm, etc.

And yes, I use real US considerations for defining the position. UN positions are compromised and falsely applied only to first world enemies of certain third world nations; third world nations who are wealthy enough to purchase indulgences for their human rights abuses.

Auntmousie · Apr 20, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

No. Almost, but not quite. Sorry.

MagmaRed · Apr 20, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

It is already cheapened by the act of Death Leveling. If it is so boring as to inspire the player to run, run, run away to leave the game to play itself - then it fails a fundamental requirement of games.

Murder is to kill someone without authorized or legal authority, with maicious intent and premeditation. PvP is not murder because it is a governmentally sanctioned act between persons in arena. The statutes and concerns of violence against a specific gender are sexist and descriminatory. There is either violence against persons or there is not. Duels to the death in a legally authorized arena, fights between combatants at war, and fights which result in death between law enforcement and criminals are lawful. And in the last case, the law holds the criminal responsible for all deaths and harm which occur. The slaying of wild animals which always attack, or trained animals used in time of war/combat, does not qualify or compare to the condition of residential pets properly restrained.

Suicide missions are those where the person goes into combat with no intent or conception of returning alive. Death Leveling in Pre amounts to the same. However, suicide missions hold the intent of sacrifice to obtain an immediate goal - protection of fellow troops, sabotage of enemy capacity to do massive or grievous harm, etc.

And yes, I use real US considerations for defining the position. UN positions are compromised and falsely applied only to first world enemies of certain third world nations; third world nations who are wealthy enough to purchase indulgences for their human rights abuses.

What country do you live in? Name one place, in any country, where there is legally authorized 'duels to the death'. Fights between law enforcement and criminals that result in death are not legal. If they were, people would rob a bank, murder the cops that came to arrest them, and only go to prison for the robbery.

Fitz..... quit playing games, of any kind. Learn reality. You are seriously scaring me. Get professional help, as you have a poor sense of what is real and what is fun.

Sethellington · Apr 20, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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it's difficult for a reason.

if you see someone out of pre displaying that title, you still think it's an impressive title. Like KoaBD was before NF/Hard Mode came out. Or chamion before people exploited it. Or Legendary Guardian before Sabway ^^.

You get the idea. LDoA is still impressive, atleast, for me it is.

pfaile · Apr 20, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

I have only been playing for six months now. I got a pre-toon to about level 9 or 10 then just couldn't stand it anymore. LDOA is a prestige title for the hardcore. Leave it be.

I have made a Legendary Survivor by getting to lvl 10, going to EOTN and boxing. It was cheap. It also cheapens every LS before this. Those that took the time to get this massive time sink of a title should not loose it just because someone else wants an easier title.

Need that extra title, then go with LS, you can do it < a full week of play somewhere around 15-30 hrs.

Gate monkeys are great for those staring new toons. Easy cash early on.

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Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I herd looking at the dates is gud.

Fitz Rinley · May 07, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by pfaile

I have only been playing for six months now. I got a pre-toon to about level 9 or 10 then just couldn't stand it anymore. LDOA is a prestige title for the hardcore. Leave it be.

I have made a Legendary Survivor by getting to lvl 10, going to EOTN and boxing. It was cheap. It also cheapens every LS before this. Those that took the time to get this massive time sink of a title should not loose it just because someone else wants an easier title.

Need that extra title, then go with LS, you can do it < a full week of play somewhere around 15-30 hrs.

Gate monkeys are great for those staring new toons. Easy cash early on.

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There is no reason for anyone to need that kind of cash in Pre. None.

Further, Granting access to the Northlands under the conditions I have specified does not and will not cheapen the title in anyway. It does not shorten the amount of time one has to spend death leveling at all. (Except it allows one to death level without having to pay fellow players to do so.) The amount of hours, spent electricity, time having your computer tied up, etc. are all the same. The only difference is not having to beg or hire a hooker in order to work on the title.

Shayne Hawke · May 08, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Hey, I have an idea.

Remove LDoA. It's a stupidly engineered title.

Konig Des Todes · May 08, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Suggestion has 2 parts:

1. Arrange so that gate guard to the Northlands will open the gate for you if you are 11th level or higher and solo.

2. Put 4 level 13 Charr in Piken Area of Pre-Searing Ascalon.

(At 13th level PC will still have to death level at least one level in order to get title and cannot therefore get both LDoA and Survivor.)

Sounds reasonable, if something is changed, this should be something that should be looked at for an idea of what to do.

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[...]a lot of stodgy old wrinkled types cringing [...]

That made me lol very hard.

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For those who feel it would be horrendous that people might actually be able to play for the greater majority of their title, or jealous that everyone should suffer the pains and anquish of their death leveling for it: <Bronx Cheer>!

And no, I won't like you. I hate this crap. I will not back down. I will not go away. Anyone who supports the prostitute gate monkeys is beneath contempt.

Yay for getting rid of Gate Monkeys! O wait, it won't because you have to be lvl 11 to get in without a partner.

1 up and 2 down · May 08, 2008, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Anet didn't add LDoA and expect people to death level to get the title. They added the title as a reward for those that were clever enough to get to level 20 in pre-searing.

So if you don't want to get LDoA the same way everyone else had to get it, then obviously you don't want the reward enough.

Mr. Undisclosed · May 08, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Ugh, you people keep /signing and /notsigning when this thread has been dead for a long long time.

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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

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Anet didn't add LDoA and expect people to death level to get the title. They added the title as a reward for those that were clever enough to get to level 20 in pre-searing.

I'm curious what they did expect us to do for the title then, considering the max level you can get off monster killing is 16 and quests won't make up the rest. I think figuring out that you can level up monsters then kill them for xp was pretty clever.

Randvek · May 08, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I herd looking at the dates is gud.

I had to quote this from the first time this thread got rezzed.

Fitz Rinley · May 08, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

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Anet didn't add LDoA and expect people to death level to get the title. They added the title as a reward for those that were clever enough to get to level 20 in pre-searing.

So if you don't want to get LDoA the same way everyone else had to get it, then obviously you don't want the reward enough.

Even if you keep the death leveling, forcing people to pay other players to get into the Northlands to work on the title is still wrong. Raping fellow players because you can is still wrong. If you go out to help people with the quest they go back through the gate, get their reward and map because they don't need you anymore. You are supposed to beg or pay a hooker to get in to work on the title. That is Not and Never shall be team play. It is filthy dirty disreputable exploitation of fellow players. I let people in to DL for free. I will never charge. I should not have to let them in at all. They should have access to work on the title. I should not have to be let in at all either. Nor should I have to pay someone else to work on getting the title. There is no moral reason or support for keeping it the way it is.

hippo942 · May 08, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Its the easiest title in the game and know you are whinging that you have to pay 50gld for a gate monkey, you get more than that from the creatures you kill and what else are you meant to spend your money in pre on?

Fitz Rinley · May 08, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by hippo942

Its the easiest title in the game and know you are whinging that you have to pay 50gld for a gate monkey, you get more than that from the creatures you kill and what else are you meant to spend your money in pre on?

Nothing, it is immoral to charge.

blackknight1337 · May 08, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Nothing, it is immoral to charge.

Hmm, so outside your little GW bubble, do people charge others for goods and services? Of course they do. And its hardly different in GW. You want to go over the gate to kill charr. Is this any different than having to put gas in your car to drive to work? A gate monkey (i lol'ed at you calling them rapists and a few other really nice names) opens the gate for you, and charges you 50g. If you go fill up your gas tank, you are lucky if the price doesn't keep rising. So maybe next week gate monkeys should start charging 75g.

If it is immoral to charge (and btw, I laugh at people who make absolute statements about such things on grounds like this), then please explain why there is a rather active services thread on these very forums of people offering their services for amounts of gold. What I think you could stand to learn is the gratitude for someone taking 2 min out of their time to go let you through the gate for a measly 50g. If you go look at responses on the service threads of some well known runners/vanquishers etc, you will find the people who treat their customers right and know their stuff have very positive responses.

The point of the matter is, perhaps it would be nice to be able to get into the northlands for free. However, Anet doesn't seem to see it that way, and you have completely gone over the edge on your arguments for doing so. Being a gate monkey is a completely legitimate way to earn money in pre. If you pm'ed me in pre and were to repeat any of the deragatory terms you've used in the thread to describe gate monkeys, you would get a rapid trip to the ignore list. So no wonder you want the gate changed, you probably can't get along with anyone who does the service.

MagmaRed · May 08, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

You don't have to pay a gate monkey to get into the Northlands. Too bad you haven't figured this out yet. One of the people in my Guild got the title this week. I never heard him complain about gate monkeys, and never herd him say he couldn't find or afford one. In fact, I know several people in out guild/alliance that have perma-pre characters and helped him out. He even taught people in the guild how to death level if they wanted to get the title themselves.

YOU. ARE. NOT. REQUIRED. TO. PAY. A. GATE. MONKEY. TO. ENTER. THE. NORTHLANDS.